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Post by mermon on Feb 4, 2011 6:48:21 GMT -5
evie - thank you for thanking me. - That's great line MrsJakobGyllenhaal
And you're right - it fits with Jack and Ennis love story. They had only those moments. But probably year by year it was more and more difficult to cherish them, knowing, that full happiness will never come, because of Ennis caution and fears. If Ennis would be more brave they could spend some happy time together, even if everything would have end badly for them, they wouldn't have to regret anything. Probable Ennis spent the rest of his life thinking "what, if...". imagining the life they could have. But who knows maybe the second time he would have do the same. Though I would love to see them happy, living together, I know that the movie wouldn't be so moving and great. Gross box office for BBM: Total Lifetime Grosses Domestic: $83,043,761 46.6% + Foreign: $95,018,998 53.4% __________________________________ = Worldwide: $178,062,759 and Production Budget: $14 million - only! So it made really a lot of money. I believe that if they would released BBM again in the theatres it would have many viewers again. I would go for sure, just to see them on the big screen, I lost my chance in 2006. And I regret.
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Feb 4, 2011 7:11:00 GMT -5
Thanks mermon for sharing those figures. I think I read somewhere that BBM had already made up it's budget by the opening weekend! And since noone expected that kind of success the DVD came out while the movie was still in theaters!
As for Jack and Ennis being happy - I agree - it not happening is what makes the movie so strong.
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Post by eausavage on Feb 4, 2011 8:48:18 GMT -5
Very interesting thought. Could very well be. I remember that Jake looked kinda happy when he looked at Lureen and the baby but then so sad when the FIL sent him out to the car (on purpose IMO). After watching LOAD again yesterday one quote stuck in my head a lot as I think it fits this movie so well too: Maggie is lying on the bed and Jake is taking her video and askes her what she is thinking and she says: "Just how happy I am in this moment right now. And it doesn't matter if I have 10.000 more moments like this or even just this one because it's all the same. Just that. Right now. This moment. I have this."completely true Sasha i remember that Gyllenhaal was that way as well in zodiac when he played the role of father of tow littel kids, to be back to Brokeback Mountain that scens is such touchy, i love how Jack staring at his child, too sad then the nastly stepfather comes and treats him as if he was just a personal chauffeur of Lureen, damn, he never respect Jack. About your quoting is amazing, i guess that's the meaning of been in love, no matter how much time you have, you holds every single memory, and even if the time is few still has an hudge importance.
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Post by eausavage on Feb 4, 2011 8:56:04 GMT -5
Thanks mermon for sharing those figures. I think I read somewhere that BBM had already made up it's budget by the opening weekend! And since noone expected that kind of success the DVD came out while the movie was still in theaters! As for Jack and Ennis being happy - I agree - it not happening is what makes the movie so strong. As i stated in my very first comment and happy enidng wasn't imaginable, i know that would be great, but in my POV it couldn't be differently, as this love couldn't be accepted, sadly, and even if Jack try to make several attempt, Ennis is too weak, too coward, too scared, and Jack ahevn't the will to let him go, as well as Ennis, the ending of this story is quite close to real life, that's why is so strong and powerfull, i guess Sasha is right. We can talk about some specualtion, and how this relatioship could change if Ennis act differently, i guess Ennis asked himself frequently what could it be, if he act in a different way, or make different choice.... It the magic of this movie i guess...
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Post by evie on Feb 4, 2011 9:15:54 GMT -5
I have always thought that Jack and Lureen got married because she got pregnant from their early intimacies, all instigated by her, and that they never had any other children because Jack stopped having relations with her. Very interesting thought. Could very well be. I remember that Jake looked kinda happy when he looked at Lureen and the baby but then so sad when the FIL sent him out to the car (on purpose IMO). That moment you describe is one of the many shining jewels in BBM. Whenever I watch that scene, I wait for that reaction on Jack's face. The scene contains so much: the love and happiness over the baby, which Jack shares; the brutishness of the father-in-law, treating Jack like a servant, dismissing him from the family circle; Jack's understanding that 1) he is trapped, 2) this is not the life he wanted or planned for, and 3) the old man's contempt will grind him down every single day. Jake nails that reaction perfectly.
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Feb 4, 2011 9:59:18 GMT -5
Thanks evie for your nice comment. Also Maria for your comment on Zodiac. I know that Jake is a great actor no matter what the role asks for, but I think you can tell that he is comfortable around children and that this is something he plans for himself as well (at least that's what I like to think).
And I agree that you can read so much on Jakes face what Jack is feeling at the moment, this is why I bonded with Jack more than Ennis. With Ennis you're never quite sure and if you are that it's usually something painful. Maybe it's because I like to think of myself as someone outgoing and looking for the good in each situation instead of dwelling on the bad. And I think Jack is like that too. He knows his life is far from perfect, but he tries to make the most of it and I can totally understand why he gets so mad at Ennis on their last meeting (I wish I know how to quit you!).
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Feb 4, 2011 10:00:16 GMT -5
About your quoting is amazing, i guess that's the meaning of been in love, no matter how much time you have, you holds every single memory, and even if the time is few still has an hudge importance. Oh, you will like LAOD then, Maria. It's such a charming movie about love in a less than perfect situation. Not as painful as BBM (since it's a rom-com) but just as touching.
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Post by mermon on Feb 4, 2011 12:01:00 GMT -5
evie - - here we are. It was so painful to watch how Jack's father in law trampled Jack's dignity, humiliated him in every possible way, for nothing. Probably he was very weak man, afraid that he may loose a position/control after his daughter marriage. He was feeling cocky because he had the money and Jack was poor. Jack was too young to fight him since the beginning, he was at the mercy of his wife and FIL. Although he was working for them and was the best seller they had, he never got any respect. Maybe after Thanksgiving dinner he did. And he didn't have any support from his wife. She was too blind to see that problem, or she didn't care or she was to weak to resist her father. I was so glad when he acted like real macho at the family dinner and his FIL was so small at that moment.
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Feb 4, 2011 12:51:22 GMT -5
Oh Mermon, that GIF is beautiful. It captures everything about Jack there is. Oh, it makes my heart miss a beat. Seeing just this one scene makes me wanna see the movie again tonight. I thought I didn't want to see it for a while, but all this debating about certain scenes I feel like I have to see it again.
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Post by mermon on Feb 4, 2011 13:31:31 GMT -5
Thank you MrsJakobGyllenhaal. That scene is very touching, indeed. I think about seeing the movie again from few days, since we started that conversation here. Maybe I will watch it tonight, as well.
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Feb 4, 2011 13:33:24 GMT -5
OK, it's a deal. Let's both grab something to drink, some chips or chocolate and a box of tissues and off we go. Will be like a girls night out (or in)!
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Post by mermon on Feb 4, 2011 13:37:22 GMT -5
Ok, that's a deal! ;D I feel a need to check Jack sigh during potato peeling scene and try to look at both of them as clear gays as you suggest . And at Lureen, knowing that she speaks by the phone with Jack's lover. I didn't think about it that way before. And I just feel the need to be on Brokeback again, listening to the beautiful Gustavo's music.
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Post by mermon on Feb 4, 2011 16:58:46 GMT -5
So, I have watched it again and what can I say? I just adore Jake in that movie. He focuses all my attention wherever he is seen. He's so sexual, sensual in his every movement and smile. When he leans on the truck in his blue shirt, when he loads the riffle, rides a horse, with all his smilies. When he swears - "shit" few times it's so funny and sweet. I like the scenes when he carries the sheep on his back, when he rides a horse in a green jacket to the Gustavo Santaolalla's tune. Not mentions all the famous and obvious scenes. Heath is a great actor and they created unforgettable couple, but Jake stole my heart playing Jack (and Dastan, and Jamie, and Pilot, and Donnie too) with all his charm, facial expression, talent and beauty. I realised that I am more sorry for Jack, than for Ennis, because he was the one who was doing something for them, he was driving 14 hours each time, he found Ennis after four years, he had some propositions to live together, he was brave to dream about happiness with Ennis, he loved him so much that stole Ennis' shirt at the beginning of their relationship and kept it for years inside of his own - a substitute of being together. I can imagine him holding and touching that shirt when he visited his parents. And he was the one who couldn't do absolutely nothing to change their situation, to convince Ennis to common life. It was helpless, all his energy invested in them went for nothing. He was a tired man at the end, probably not happy at all betraying Ennis with Randall. I don't believe he could love him, he was just tired of pretending and wanted to live along with his needs. Poor Jack, Ennis could have change it with one word, one right decision, but he never did.
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Feb 4, 2011 18:18:03 GMT -5
So Mermon, we had a BBM date by the looks of it, as I watched it again too. This time I liked it a lot more than the first time around as I didn't have to deal with all my conflicting emotions as much. Also I saw it in german this time (english the first round). Some scenes I understand more deeply now, although I don't want to watch it in german again. There is just something to the original voices of Jake and Heath that no syncro will ever get.
Other than that I agree with Mermon on how Jack has put more energy and risk into their relationship. Very touching.
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Post by eausavage on Feb 4, 2011 19:21:41 GMT -5
That moment you describe is one of the many shining jewels in BBM. Whenever I watch that scene, I wait for that reaction on Jack's face. The scene contains so much: the love and happiness over the baby, which Jack shares; the brutishness of the father-in-law, treating Jack like a servant, dismissing him from the family circle; Jack's understanding that 1) he is trapped, 2) this is not the life he wanted or planned for, and 3) the old man's contempt will grind him down every single day. Jake nails that reaction perfectly. that's could it be, its avery good point, bu as Jakc asking some info about lureen beofre dance with her, i tento to belive he was a little interestd in her for some econonic rason, that's maybe very obious, and quite trivial opinion, maybe Jack didn't planned soemthing such fast, but you've desciber very well how Jack feels, i olso hate whne Lureen father's mocking Jack with his friend, while Jack showing some new tractor model outside, she's there, in the same room, she lifetd up her head staring ate her father and didin't say a world, don't take Jack's parts... i always getting mad everytime i see that scene...
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