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Post by eausavage on Feb 21, 2011 12:53:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't hurt at all in my POV, but choral movie are like this. My cousing gifted to me Rendction among with Zodica, so he next time i will lokk to deleted scenes, i guess that choral movie are about this following all its own personal life, and intertwined with each other, IMO all have the same scenes, Gyllenhaal have few as well witherspoon, the story runs form USA to North africa quite good, the ends of the movi is, in some way, relievent, as finally everything have a sense, a bit unsual as final but very very innovative. Honestly i don't see so many points in common between these three movies, are generally different from each other. It may sound odd, but i see muhc more sharing points between Rendiction and Brokeback muntain...
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Post by els on Feb 21, 2011 13:30:27 GMT -5
It wouldn't hurt though, to see him play a bad guy for a change, it would be quite interesting! That's how I see it too I think Reese Witherspoon played her character good and believable. Classic, yes maybe, but I don't mind that at all; I know I would do exactly the same if it were my husband who "disappeared", so to me personally it's very believable!... Mermon said: Maria said: Mermon, I agree with Maria, I don't see so many points in common between those three movies you named; I indeed, like Maria, see much more points in common between Rendition and BM... Donnie Darko is more like sort of SF/mystery to me, Source Code seems to me like sort of SF/action; as where Rendition and Brokeback Mountain both are movies about an important delicate social aspect of society, movies that are very interesting on a human level, about real problems, movies that make us think about real things that happend / are happening in life... I personally don't see all these things in Donnie Darko and Source Code... just my pov
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Post by mermon on Feb 21, 2011 14:08:42 GMT -5
eausavage - - that's interesting. Share, please.
film choral/choral film : film composed by multiples leading characters with parallel stories, crossing or not. « Shorts Cuts » (Robert Altman), « Pulp fiction » (Quentin Tarantino)...
Thank you for that, I didn't know this term.
What I meant DD, Rendition and Maybe SC - that the movie gives a riddle to solve. But otherwise, they are not similar, I agree.
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Post by mermon on Feb 21, 2011 14:22:49 GMT -5
eausavage - - Yes, I think he couldn't stand that torture and wanted to get out quickly the true of Anwar, to stop that, he felt tortured himself probably - "His first torture"
els - - I know, that some of you, wish to see him in the movie as a bad guy. It would be quite a challenge for him. But me personally, I don't wish that. I just can't imagine him as a really bad guy. Maybe as a charming bad ass, breaking women's hearts, but as a cruel man, I wouldn't want it.
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Post by els on Feb 21, 2011 18:17:57 GMT -5
I didn't know this term either I'd call it "ensemble film" (different name, but same meaning) For me, Jake doesn't have to do that, but it just wouldn't hurt to see him play some sort of a bad guy for a change, it surely would be a great challenge for him, would be very interesting to see imo
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Post by eausavage on Feb 21, 2011 18:48:31 GMT -5
It wouldn't hurt though, to see him play a bad guy for a change, it would be quite interesting! That's how I see it too I think Reese Witherspoon played her character good and believable. Classic, yes maybe, but I don't mind that at all; I know I would do exactly the same if it were my husband who "disappeared", so to me personally it's very believable!... Mermon said: Maria said: Mermon, I agree with Maria, I don't see so many points in common between those three movies you named; I indeed, like Maria, see much more points in common between Rendition and BM... Donnie Darko is more like sort of SF/mystery to me, Source Code seems to me like sort of SF/action; as where Rendition and Brokeback Mountain both are movies about an important delicate social aspect of society, movies that are very interesting on a human level, about real problems, movies that make us think about real things that happend / are happening in life... I personally don't see all these things in Donnie Darko and Source Code... just my pov Well my tiwn sister mumbled a bit as she've excpected more scene with Gyllenhaal so surely it wouldn't hurt ;D I'm glad you share my sam thoughts about the scene when Douglas chocked Anwar, he've asked to been alone with him, so clearly he wish to end in some way the torture.Douglas stopped also the torture of electricity, it's clear that he really cann't bear to stand by and watch passively as a man is deprived of his rights. As i said Witherspoon isn't bad, just nothing specila in her way of actin nor in her character, but i agree that she's quite credible... About common points in BBM and Rendiction it's not something about screnplay, or character, we can see that Duglas is quite squared, and well know how to dealing with local intelligenge and politicians as well, nothing in common with Jack Twist he's a daydreamer and also torned for a impossible love lived in secret, in the shadow, that try to handle a conflicted relationship. But it's the social meaning of those movies that is the same, the proupose of movies is the same, leave a mesage, send a message to the audience, make them think about it, something related to human right in a wider point of view.
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Post by eausavage on Feb 21, 2011 19:00:20 GMT -5
eausavage - - that's interesting. Share, please. film choral/choral film : film composed by multiples leading characters with parallel stories, crossing or not. « Shorts Cuts » (Robert Altman), « Pulp fiction » (Quentin Tarantino)...Thank you for that, I didn't know this term. What I meant DD, Rendition and Maybe SC - that the movie gives a riddle to solve. But otherwise, they are not similar, I agree. You're welcome Mermon, i'm glad to helped you out. ;D Well about Rendiction it's something related mostly on human rights, how far we can go with questionable methods, even if to prevent terrosm and attacks, such as torture, to extract information, and at the same time continue to say that it is necessary for democracy?Sure Dauglas try to find answer to soem question but it's not the key element of the movie in itsef. Sorce Code in some way could be about terrorism, but it's most focused and realted to the methods that lead to thwart the attacks, and to internal hierarchies, and new procedures that could helps Army to fight agaist terrorism.Mainly it's about sci-fi, and Steven Colter is a miitary that try to accomplisehd his mission. Donni Darko, is much ore into the distrubed mind of younger boy, maybe a bit perhaps a bit too introverted, maybe schizophrenic, upset by puberty, which is in conflict with his family.The key element in that case it's the disturbed mind of a teenager. Hope to explain myself a bit better
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Post by eausavage on Feb 21, 2011 19:10:22 GMT -5
eausavage - - Yes, I think he couldn't stand that torture and wanted to get out quickly the true of Anwar, to stop that, he felt tortured himself probably - "His first torture" els - - I know, that some of you, wish to see him in the movie as a bad guy. It would be quite a challenge for him. But me personally, I don't wish that. I just can't imagine him as a really bad guy. Maybe as a charming bad ass, breaking women's hearts, but as a cruel man, I wouldn't want it. It coudl be like you said about the chocked Anward scene, that's coudl exlain why he drinks so much later, but i guess Douglas is very very fustarted as he staring at the torure uselessly and in his pov he know nothing, nor he cannot give to CIS the answer he need, as he also stated that local chief's intelligence is more focused to stealing THAT asnwer then HOW are given...not sure if makes some sense... About Gyllenhaal been the bad one, i would love to seen him as very very mean and harsh character, it would be great to see him deling with a different role, that maye lift his way of acting, and emproove his talent. ;D I think we don't need to focused Gyllenhaal on the usual wominizer characters, or just in some sentimental drama, i wish to see him in every single role, a serial killer, also a very wiked character that have a bad bad behaviour, i wish that he could be free to deling with any role. A charming little bastard that doesn't respect women, in my POV it's worser then a serial killer character.
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Post by eausavage on Feb 21, 2011 19:18:10 GMT -5
blushing really, glad to let you know a new terms to defined thos genre of movies. I know that severa round here didn't wish to see Gyllenhaal as bad to bone villian, or negative character, but i think it coudl be great to him to deling with a different character, just in pov could be a great task to emproove his way of acting, and finally prove that he's indeed a very talented actor.
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Post by mermon on Feb 22, 2011 1:16:36 GMT -5
eausavage - - I got your point.
About Jake as a bad guy. Well, we will see what future brings. I give him green light in whatever he chooses. If he would like to be a villain - I will watch it for sure. To admire him, to support his movie. Whatever his choice will be. I just wish he has a lot of movies to choose.
About Rendition. The film shook me a bit, I didn't know Americans do it outside of the States to avoid American law and with agreement with other country government. It shook me also, because almost at the same time it was a rumour that in my country was a prison where terrorists were held and maybe tortured by Americans. It seemed absurd to me, but after watching Rendition and seeing like it works or look like, I don't know what to think about it. This story is top secret till today. USA use friendly country to have own prisons and do in the secrecy what they want, and later the blame is on those countries. I know that terrorism is a bad and ugly thing, but if they make even one innocent person to suffer for a sake of thousands or millions even - that's not right.
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Feb 22, 2011 2:59:43 GMT -5
On the rental DVD I had gotten, there was a movie about the practise of rendition in real life. They interviewed several people who had to suffer this kind of practise by the americans.
It's really aweful to see how they distroyed their lives for nothing. And I had heard about some of these cases before, one of these people was on german news a lot before because he tried to get justice for what happend to him. So I new this happend for real just as we look at the movie and that's what made it so difficult to watch.
It's a very impressive performance of Jake. And the perfect role for him as he has got very little to say, but his body and face act so many emotions. And he does look very grown up and manly in it.
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Post by eausavage on Feb 22, 2011 11:19:37 GMT -5
eausavage - - I got your point. About Jake as a bad guy. Well, we will see what future brings. I give him green light in whatever he chooses. If he would like to be a villain - I will watch it for sure. To admire him, to support his movie. Whatever his choice will be. I just wish he has a lot of movies to choose. About Rendition. The film shook me a bit, I didn't know Americans do it outside of the States to avoid American law and with agreement with other country government. It shook me also, because almost at the same time it was a rumour that in my country was a prison where terrorists were held and maybe tortured by Americans. It seemed absurd to me, but after watching Rendition and seeing like it works or look like, I don't know what to think about it. This story is top secret till today. USA use friendly country to have own prisons and do in the secrecy what they want, and later the blame is on those countries. I know that terrorism is a bad and ugly thing, but if they make even one innocent person to suffer for a sake of thousands or millions even - that's not right. Glad to be able to explain better my opinion About Gyllenhaal been a villain ina movie, or simply an antagonist of some movies, it would be interesting, would show other aspects of her performance, bringing out a different way in his undoubted talent. Do not forget that Anthony Hopkins had his first Oscar in the role of Lecter, a serial killer. About the real practice of "Rendiction" sadly the movie is based an reality, truly USA and other intelligence agency have some jail, where torture is where it is practiced torture on terrorists or suspected terrorists, I think there are places like this all over North Africa, Turkey, in short, where human rights aren't protected, but also in Europe.The movie is too realistic, in fact Douglas shouldn't interfere in the interrogation, so that, in any case, the CIA couldn't be accused of not respecting the undeniable rights of man, whether he is an innocent man or a terrorist.
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Post by eausavage on Feb 22, 2011 11:30:07 GMT -5
On the rental DVD I had gotten, there was a movie about the practise of rendition in real life. They interviewed several people who had to suffer this kind of practise by the americans. It's really aweful to see how they distroyed their lives for nothing. And I had heard about some of these cases before, one of these people was on german news a lot before because he tried to get justice for what happend to him. So I new this happend for real just as we look at the movie and that's what made it so difficult to watch. It's a very impressive performance of Jake. And the perfect role for him as he has got very little to say, but his body and face act so many emotions. And he does look very grown up and manly in it. I agree with you if we're stop thinking that thie movie tell us the truth about some unacceptable practices, which, however, there are presented as "normal", but to protect democracy, it is natural to think that there is a contradiction between the concept of democracy, understood as the rights and freedoms, and the means of using the shell for the fight back terrorism. What in the end, our governments, are distinguished from the terrorists, if we use their own methods? We continue to believe that we are entitled to defend our rights at the expense of someone else's rights only if there is a suspicion? Whether this reasonable or not? A movie that starts some thoughs abbout what is legit or not it's indeed a great movie.Juts my two. About Gyllenhaal performace in this movie, as i've stated i can clearly still see some common points with BBM and Jarhead perfomances, and agree with you he have just some scenes, but he've acted magnifically, and his expressivity and body language makes overshadow the fact that he has a few gags.
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Post by jakesgirl on Feb 22, 2011 12:16:28 GMT -5
okay you guys have been talking a lot about Rendition....I just cant read all of this ...Im just gonna post my opinion about the movie. Ive seen Rendition twice. I like it very very very much. I think it was very clever movie. Very good and important subject....well done movie all the way. Douglas is my man! He is my kind of guy...like him very much. One of the most likeable characters Jakes has played IMO.
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Post by els on Feb 22, 2011 12:16:32 GMT -5
Indeed, and he really deserved it imo, he's very impressive as Hannibal Lecter! Excellent movie, excellent acting from Anthony Hopkins and Jodie Foster, great music by Howard Shore; one of my all time favourite movies, went to see it four times at the theatre, and I've got the dvd Indeed, well said! I agree with you that it's great that there are movies that are made to let us think about things concerning human rights and opens our eyes to / lets us know about matters that a government tries to hide, matters that go against human rights. But I disagree with the fact that they are all great movies, I mean, a concept can be interesting but it can still turn out into a bad or not-so-great movie... Imo it's not because you got an interesting concept, that the movie made about it is automatically great... You got to have a great screenplay, great actors, great director etc. Just my pov But I agree with you that just the fact that such movies are made, is a very great and important thing! I totally agree with you That's one of the things I admire about Jake, even with less screentime, he always tries to get as much as possible out of his character and conveys so much, he's very expressive and the way he uses his body language, is really very impressive imo!
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