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Post by els on Mar 18, 2011 8:53:59 GMT -5
And so is yours, Maria Thanks for sharing your opinion on this I think it's really amazing how we can talk about everything, even if we don't always agree or fully understand, we share our opinion with respect, I really love that, also I love to read your opinions on things, I think it's very interesting and it broadens my mind, and makes me repect and like you girls even more than I already did! Thanks for your sweet friendship and interesting talks, girls! <3
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Mar 18, 2011 9:31:50 GMT -5
Sasha, I just made a statement, my personal opinion, I didn't mean to "pick" on you or anything, I meant it in general Oh, Els, don't worry, I never felt picked upon, not once. I just felt a need to state that not all peple can feel as natural about being gay, but that does not necessarily mean they hate homosexuals. I have been thinking about my reply a long time, as I don't want to offend anyone. No, I don't think that's unnatural. Actually I think it's a good thing to choose wheter or not to have kids and sometimes choosing not to have kids shows more love than to have kids just because you're too lazy to deal with protection. The german word for unnatural can mean more than "out of what is considered normal", I googled for quite a while but I can't find an english word to describe better. I try to explain by giving an example. Sometimes a human being is born with an extra finger or toe. That's unnatural, out of the rule, not meant to be that way by nature. Yet that doesn't make this human being less loveable or less worthy to live. It's just different. That's what I meant by being unnatural. Humans were not "designed" to love the same sex, but sometimes - due to whatever reason - it happens. That doesn't mean you have a reason to not respect these people, they are still humans like all the rest of us.
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Mar 18, 2011 9:33:59 GMT -5
we share our opinion with respect which is a rare thing. I was thinking a long time before I hit the "post" button on the reply of mine, cause I made the experience that some people get very offended if I say something like that and I had discussions like that turn ugly very quickly. So thank you guys for you lovable and respectful answers!
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Post by els on Mar 18, 2011 10:23:46 GMT -5
Thanks, Sasha <3 I feel relieved to hear that, because I feared it didn't come across the way I meant it and I never mean to "pick" on you or something like that! <3 I totally agree with that (underlined), I think it's very good and very important that you stated this! Thanks so much Sasha, the fact that you thought about your reply to me comes across as very respectful, I appreciate it very much! I very much love kids and I am very happy that I still have many kids around me when I am at school, and I'm always there for them 100% and more, but I'm also happy to come home and to be able to get my necessary rest to recharge my batteries and get my energy back (especially since I've got fibro) Thanks for explaining so well, Sasha I totally understand what you meant to say now I agree, it is indeed a rare thing, and I cherish and appreciate it a lot! <3 And even when we disagree or misunderstand eachother -especially because of our different maternal languages- we keep on respecting eachother and try to explain our pov better, like for instance you did when you explained about "unnatural" I second that!
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Post by eausavage on Mar 18, 2011 11:28:56 GMT -5
And so is yours, Maria Thanks for sharing your opinion on this I think it's really amazing how we can talk about everything, even if we don't always agree or fully understand, we share our opinion with respect, I really love that, also I love to read your opinions on things, I think it's very interesting and it broadens my mind, and makes me repect and like you girls even more than I already did! Thanks for your sweet friendship and interesting talks, girls! <3 thanks so much to you in return Els, it's amazing we can share opinion, quite deep perhaps, without making too much fuss, like has happended in past for silly reason to me-,i'm not referring to anyone specifically, but well i guess it's me i'm too much direct sometimes LOL- i guess the main issue towards homosexuality isn't the fact of a coule od men or women, but mostly how to we can handle, evryone have a differnet way, a different morality, and sometimes simply there's people that cannot accept it, butas far as someone express it's own opinion respectuful and quitely i see no problem, nobody should feel uncomfortable in stating that simply cannot understand, or cannot share, or think differently towards something. Me personally, sometimes i can seems incoherent, but it's exactly the coverse, i'm coherent, i blame homsexual, as for the blog mangazine, aticles full of pornography, when they are too excessive in their behaviour, and then blame the narrowed mind when are offesinve towards homosexual.
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Post by eausavage on Mar 18, 2011 11:48:57 GMT -5
I have been thinking about my reply a long time, as I don't want to offend anyone. No, I don't think that's unnatural. Actually I think it's a good thing to choose wheter or not to have kids and sometimes choosing not to have kids shows more love than to have kids just because you're too lazy to deal with protection. The german word for unnatural can mean more than "out of what is considered normal", I googled for quite a while but I can't find an english word to describe better. I try to explain by giving an example. Sometimes a human being is born with an extra finger or toe. That's unnatural, out of the rule, not meant to be that way by nature. Yet that doesn't make this human being less loveable or less worthy to live. It's just different. That's what I meant by being unnatural. Humans were not "designed" to love the same sex, but sometimes - due to whatever reason - it happens. That doesn't mean you have a reason to not respect these people, they are still humans like all the rest of us. Sometimes I'm too impulsive, and me too i have learned to be more thoughtful before posting something, to avoid misunderstandings.Thru sometimes i've put my head down and rushing to reply, LOL ;D Personally i don't wish any kids, actually i'm single and maybe it's a silly statement form me, but even when i was happily in love and my relatioships woks i prefer to skip on that choice, it may be sound odd, but i know i cannot be a good Moher.I well know my limits. I get what you mean Sasha, to me homosexuality is just less common, and we can agree on that point. People should respect each other beside different sexual orintations in my pov, straight or homosexual no matter. ;D The main matter is try to dealing with each other respectfully, and avoid behaviur too much excessive, like sometimes homosexual have, even if them are a smaller parts, still affect the negative opinion that common people may get toward homosexuality. Personally i enjoy as well this nice discussion for good different opinions without any nastiness, this is comunicate!<3
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Post by els on Mar 18, 2011 13:40:26 GMT -5
LOL We got to know you a bit now, Maria, and I think nobody holds that against you, you are who you are, Italian fire , and I think I speak for the other ones too when I say we appreciate your honesty and everything about you, who you are as a person! <3 I respect your honesty and it's very good -not silly at all!- that you know about yourself that in your opinion you couldn't give a child everything you feel it would need. I know about myself too, that given my health situation, I wouldn't be able to give a child everything it needs - or maybe I would be able to, but it would really ruin what's left of my health and I would suffer a lot, and in the end it would be negative for everyone (the child as well as my boyfriend and me)... I agree!
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Post by eausavage on Mar 18, 2011 13:50:13 GMT -5
ohhh Els you're very very sweet really, but i know sometimes you and Sasha try to cool me down, it ain't easy.... ;D Well try to be honste, as it's something that is part fo me, soemtimes i'm too passionate, as i have a temper, i know simply as you've stated very well what a child have some specific needs and i cannot fullfill them You make me blushing, and i'm glad that we can have this nice and deep conversation, glad you share my point on my last sentence <3
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Post by .idigjake. on Mar 18, 2011 19:17:37 GMT -5
No I don't think I have found it... Is it the sheep one? None of these comments are actually disturbing... Wow, Australia must be an extremely dirty country.. xD LOL i'm referring about the explanation how sex between tow men work, good rally good if you didn't fine nothing that disturbing you, it's amazing that a younger girl already is such open towards sex., i admire you and your parents's education. AHA! xD
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Post by eausavage on Mar 18, 2011 19:41:07 GMT -5
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Mar 19, 2011 14:33:32 GMT -5
but i know sometimes you and Sasha try to cool me down Do we make it that obvoius? ;D It's all fine, Maria. It would be quite boring if we didn't have you here!
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Mar 19, 2011 14:34:57 GMT -5
Thanks for explaining so well, Sasha I totally understand what you meant to say now Glad that I could state it the way I meant it. I feel this is a very difficult matter to talk about without sounding harsh or disrespectful, it find that in my mother tounge too!
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Post by eausavage on Mar 20, 2011 19:05:38 GMT -5
but i know sometimes you and Sasha try to cool me down Do we make it that obvoius? ;D It's all fine, Maria. It would be quite boring if we didn't have you here! ohh you've very sweet Sasha, i'm blushing, i nevre though that my opnion was such interesting, but you show me the exact opposite so thanks you really! For what it worth i never found any honest opinion harsh or disrespectful Sasha, anytime honest would it mean even been too much direct, but as far as we're not offenssive, or aggressive or going into personal, i mean attacking or insulting towards someone, i guess it's legit to express our opinions.
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Mar 21, 2011 2:54:41 GMT -5
i guess it's legit to express our opinions. Sure it is, but since this matter is so personal sometimes we might have a difficult time to be objective. That's why this discussion was so special!
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Post by eausavage on Mar 21, 2011 7:44:44 GMT -5
Well surely nobody should dare to put it down personally, but i agree with you on that, it's hard to express our opinions fairly, in the way we're doing, and avoid that someone, more sensible to this argumet, don't get opinions as its was intented.
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