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Post by Sasha4Jake on Mar 23, 2011 16:01:14 GMT -5
I saw "The Good Girl" tonight and I am still trying to figure out what to think of it. I did like the movie in general, actually I think it's the best thing I have ever seen Jennifer Aniston in. I really, really enjoyed her. She made me feel so much for her. I guess everyone in a long term relationship (as happy as it may be in general) sometimes feels trapped or wonders how his life would be if one had made different choices in the past. As for Jake: Firstly this is the only time so far I didn't like his on-screen look. Secondly - this must be one of his most impressive acting because - I hated him/Holden. He scared the living hell out of me (how am I ever going to survive Donnie Darko?). I basically jumped out of my seat when he looked through that window at Bubba's house. (BTW - I didn't like Bubba either, creepy guy!) Had I been Justine, I think I would have bought those blackberries too. I knew prior to watching the movie that Jake was going to die at one point and I thought I would be all teary-eyed about it. But then I was kind of reliefed that he wouldn't be jumping at Justine out of the blue anymore. I thought that I am too much in love with Jake Gyllenhaal, the actor, to ever NOT like one of his characters, but he managed and that makes him an even better actor in my POV. I completly forgot how cute and kind and lovable he usually is and just saw that disturbed teenager he portrayed. Having seen Proof yesterday I don't think that there could be a bigger difference between two characters than between Hal and Holden.
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Post by mermon on Mar 23, 2011 16:46:37 GMT -5
Sasha! You go like a thunder with Jake's movies. ;D I saw GG only once, quite long time ago, last year, around summer time. And I don't remember some details, like blackberries. But I remember I liked that movie. It's unusual movie. You're right, it's really great Jennifer's role. But Jake IMO has great role as well, he was so convincing as Holden. I read Catcher In The Rye and Jake was so confusing like an original. The first part of movie he seems just sympathetic, though complicated young guy. In the second part he was weird, softly saying. But I don't remember not liking the character. Maybe I just like weird types. Babba was awful, and that scene with him and Justine was disgusting. I didn't like the husband at the beginning, but finally he was quite a good guy. And thanks to poor Holden they will have a baby. And Justine was not so crystal clear. IMO in some way she used Holden. He had such strange parents, that's no wonder he was "different". I was very sorry for him at the end. I felt pity for him. But I didn't see any chance for happy ending, he was not able to assure Justine normal life, he was too lost, needed help. And she couldn't and didn't want to help him. Very interesting movie. There is some nice video from making that movie - funny scenes with Jake and Jennifer in bed. If someone has it, please post it here.
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Mar 23, 2011 17:00:16 GMT -5
Sasha! You go like a thunder with Jake's movies. ;D I bought GG and Proof together with Jarhead and TDAT like two weeks ago on amazon, but that's it for now with new movies. I only have a couple left now: DD, Moonlight Mile and October Sky. I think I will pass on the other ones (Lovely and Amazing and the one's where he's a kid) as I have seen the scenes with Jake in them on you tube and I don't think I care enough for the rest of the movie bad me... Justine's work mate Gwen dies because she ate blackberries she bought from a guy selling them next to the street because they had a parasite in them. When Justine drives in the car with Holden he get's all crazy and wired and they drive by this guy selling blackberries. Justine turnes around and buys some and forces Holden to eat them (hoping he would die too). But when she sees how quickly he eats them down she get's second thoughts after all and slaps the rest of them out of his hand, saying she saw a bug in them. I almost wanted to throw up, that was so aweful. I noticed thought that Jen doesn't wear a bra in her sex scene with Jake, but kept her shirt on in the scene with Bubba - wonder why ;D Do you mean the gag reel that's a DVD extra? It's on you tube:
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Post by els on Mar 23, 2011 17:12:08 GMT -5
It's one of my favourite Jake movies! Seen it lots of times already I like his look I love his acting in this movie, he's indeed extraordinary and very believable! I don't hate Holden at all, not at all! Ok, he's unbalanced, but he's really such a sweet guy imo, just messed up and he feels alone and not "gotten" by anyone - until Justine starts to talk to him and they become friends and lovers... I think he's an interesting character, and the fact that he reads "Catcher in the Rye" and identifies with Holden, tells us a whole lot about his feelings and character, he's indeed unbalanced, but oh he's really a sweet guy! And I know you are not going to agree with me Sasha, but I can't help thinking Holden is a sexy guy, even if he's much younger than me I think it's strange and funny at the same time what you say here: because I think it's indeed one of his most impressive acting, but because I like him (Holden) LOL just the opposite - I mean, he's so unbalanced and sometimes comes across as creepy, but Jake succeeds in giving Holden also vulnerability and sweetness, which makes me actually like him (I mean Holden - or Tom, I should say!) Omg that shocks me!... It's the one thing I can't forgive Justine, what she did there was really SICK imo! I disagree. I think it's really sad!... And remember, it was Justine who took the initiative to go over and talk to Holden, she didn't do it for him, because he was lonely, she did it for herself, because she felt lonely and got a bit fascinated by Holden. I don't know... to a certain point, I felt for her. But I also felt for her husband and for Holden. She's not really a "good" girl imo. She's quite selfish. She leaves her collegue at the hospital, to meet with Holden. She deceives and lies to her husband. It's alright for her to have meetings and sex with Holden, "Are you my secret, Holden? I like having a secret" but when she sees Bubba's truck, suddenly she wants to get rid of Holden, she doesn't think about him, she only thinks about herself! Because Holden is unbalanced -and because in his eyes, he has found his only possible soulmate in the world- it gets a bit out of hand, but I still disapprove so much what she did with the blackberries, no can't forgive her for that... And in the end, when we see her holding her baby with black hair and says to her husband it's his child... still lying to him... (I know, what could she say, probably best to lie about it, but still, not a very good foundation for a relationship imo) and also she lied about who her lover was, and because of that a totally innocent guy gets beaten... I'm someone who is scared quite easily, but I watched Donnie Darko without being scared and I didn't have a nightmare about it -not even about "the rabbit"- so I guess you could give it a try, Sasha I don't think DD is scary; there's is a special kind of strange atmosphere in the movie, which is very good!
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Post by mermon on Mar 23, 2011 17:24:32 GMT -5
Yes! Thank you very much for that clip, Sasha! That was funny. Watching that made me feel wanting to be an actress, playing roles only with the cute ones, without all that mess around actors, without publicity, red carpets, paps etc. Just acting. But of course it's not only a fun, it's hard work mostly.
Thx for blueberries reminding. I think I will have to watch it one more time, one day.
Sasha, all those three movies you have left are very nice. My favourite is Donnie Darko - must be seen till the end, even if you don't like it too much at the beginning. And it really needs few times watching. Every time you'll like it better. I'm so sorry you found out about the ending, it was very unfortunately, because it suppose to be unexpected, but anyhow, it will impress you. I mean the ending. I so envy you, that you have three Jake's movies to watch for the first time. Enjoy them at the right time!
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Post by els on Mar 23, 2011 17:31:02 GMT -5
I totally agree with you, Mermon, about Jake! About "Catcher in the Rye", I'd really like to read the book, I know what it's about, but haven't read it yet. LOL Well, Mermon, maybe I like weird types too then, because I also like Holden (Tom), even if he's unbalanced, in his heart he's really a sweet vulnerable guy imo Totally agree with you, Mermon! Indeed, he's really quite a good guy, I agree I like John C. Reilly He was so sweet and so great in "Magnolia", I love him in that movie (great movie! ) Couldn't have said it better, I totally agree with you, Mermon! I LOVE that vid! I posted it somewhere on the board but I forgot where, a good thing Sasha posted it again, here! Thanks Sasha! I like both movies, "Lovely and Amazing" and "City Slickers"! God, I LOVE that motel scene hehe Mermon said: I second that!
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Post by mermon on Mar 23, 2011 17:45:47 GMT -5
Els - - me too! ;D I must say, I agree with you just about everything you've said about that movie. - exactly and absolutely! I was sorry for Justine living very boring life, without kids, she wanted to have, with Babba everyday at her house on her sofa with her husband drinking beer constantly. Holden was like a breath of fresh air in her life - cute, sweet, handsome, lost, easy to manipulate. And gave her a pinch of excitement, she has, hiding romance before her husband. I can imagine how hot lover Holden was. A forbidden fruit. Maybe it was her instinct, in her genes, to conceive a child. Thanks God Babba was not a father! But i was especially sorry for Holden. I didn't know that story before, I was curious like it will end for him. He was not able to have a steady life, she needed. I had a feeling, he will be more hurt at the end. After such a role, it's no wonder some people were doubting if Jake is a perfect actor to portray Prince of Persia. Such a different character. It shows only, how amazing, extraordinary actor Jake is!!!
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Post by els on Mar 23, 2011 17:55:15 GMT -5
That's very nice to know, that I'm not alone with that thought! I've got exactly the same feeling, reading your comments about "The Good Girl", Mermon! <3 I TOTALLY agree with you, Mermon! Agree with you, Mermon!
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Post by mermon on Mar 23, 2011 18:17:42 GMT -5
So many agreements in one post! That's nice, Els. ;D It seems to be another Jake's movie with different opinions about it.
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Post by eausavage on Mar 23, 2011 19:44:05 GMT -5
ohh crying i miss a very intesting debating about one of the most amazing movie fo Gyllenhaal, but for some reason i cannot stand to see it too many times.... I like the movie, maybe too much, but i really felt pain in some scenes, really too much... On first hand this is the only move of Aniston were she've been credible and stnad her character quite well. On second hand Gyllenhaal isn't Gyllenhaal, he's Holdend and nobody else then him, i mena i'm such focused on the story, how going on,on emotions thta get me, that i cna say it was an experience. About sex scenes well sadly i ahve to report a lot of caprices, that Aniston would have done, in essentially, she has filmed sex scenes with the other two actors wearing 4 or 5 sweaters, 2 pairs of pantyhose, and even with a pillow tied on the stomach, to prevent that her body touched that of the two players, respectively, husband and best friend of him. about sex scene with Gyllenhaal was filmed in the same way of those filmed in LAOD, so quite weird on Aniston side. The story is such sad, i guess Justine is just dissatisfied with her life, is not what she wanted, not what she wanted. When she meets Holden her routine is lively for a while, she felt things that she not felt for a long time, she starts to confide with Him, they become confident and then lovers. Does not have many excuses, and I think the movie's title is purely ironic. She act she is acting selfishly, seduce Holden, just because she feel lonley, just because no man courts her, or at least her husband doesn't care too much of her needs since a while, and makes her feel important. Justine does not worry too much that Holden is disturbed-term that i'm using with reserve-which is sensitive, and he is lonely, invisible to the eyes of his parents. Holnde is clsoe in himself, lost, and feels like a failure, all he can do, that he can make is keep his head bent to write things that no one ever read, but maybe in his head, this is important, this makes him feel alive. When Holden finds a friend in Justine, a confident, a person who cares what he writes, that he has to write, for him is like an explosion, violent of emotions. It 's inevitable, Holden falls in love, madly, of Justine, but Justin although clearly reading in this boy the signs of emotional instability, he confides about college, and his trouble with drinking and drugs, does not stop, or cannot hold herself. Justine drag down to bed Holden, make of him some use for her company, sex mainly, as she enjoy spend some time with him, then, when everything fall down, like deck of cards blowed form wind, Justine stop thinking what she've done. It's juts when she seen the truck of Bubba, outside the motel, she've payed for the room, quite skilled, she get some panice, take a step back, and leave, or trying to put down Holden. And Holden, for him cannot be differently, he have only Justine, sadly he put his life into her hands, he's too lost, too messy to understand that it wasen't real love, that Justin nevre loved him for real, maybe they talked about buld anew life away, try to be happy, but was just bullshit, Justine nevre emt to do something to change her life. Pushed form this hudge lost, this this emptiness that consumes him, Holden begins to drink again, become aggressive and despearte, and even more unstable, believing that it is only a matter of money, robbery away the cash from the store where he and Justine are working. Here, too, is fault of Justine, who says to the boy, that if Holden have more monye they could have a life together. She slept with Bubba to make him keep the secret about Holden, told Phil that the he's the fatehre of Holden's baby.Told to her boss of the market that Holden steal the money, leave him alone, and then Holden committed suicide, in a cheap motel room. Nobody ever know about her and Holden, she at leats has been able to be a mother, her married get better, i don't think it's fair simply, in my pov Justine has nothing positive as character.
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Mar 24, 2011 3:01:02 GMT -5
It's one of my favourite Jake movies! Seen it lots of times already I plan to see it many times too. The fact that I didn't like Holden as a character doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the movie or didn't like Jake's performance. I think it's actually fun to see him play someone wired. Well, I guess it's taste, but he didn't really do it for me. Although in the deleted scenes there is one where he follows Justine to a restaurant and he wears a hat in that - I think he was cute there. In general I like Jake's mature look in the last years better than his teenager look. Well, maybe hate was a bit of a strong word, but Holden really creep me out. I kept thinking what would I do if I had someone like him following me around in real life. Maybe when I see the movie more often I will be able to get past the scary feeling and start feeling compassion for him. At least we can agree on this one. Funny how we both like the movie the same, but for totally different reasons ;D Well, yeah, it was sick. But I felt so in character with Justine, Holden scared me in that car and all the time I kept thinking: "You got to get rid of this guy. He's going to hurt you." But looking at it in broad daylight and after a good nights sleep, you're right. It was sick. At least she didn't let him eat the whole tin. And she didn't know for sure of that was the guy Gwen bought her blackberries from, so maybe there was never a threat for Holden. I know that doesn't excuse Justine as she did buy them with that purpose in mind. I think the title is meant ironic (as Maria said). Justine for sure is no nice person, but I couldn't help to think that were I in her situation I am afraid I would have done/said/made the same things and how lucky I am that my life has taken a different spin. I wouldn't say he was totally innocent. He watched her having sex with Holden on video. So I guess this was Justine's way to get back to him.
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Mar 24, 2011 3:03:38 GMT -5
I like both movies, "Lovely and Amazing" and "City Slickers"! I have seen the scenes with Jake in them of both movies on you tube and Jake's acting was really good.
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Mar 24, 2011 3:09:28 GMT -5
Sasha, all those three movies you have left are very nice. ...I mean the ending. I so envy you, that you have three Jake's movies to watch for the first time. Enjoy them at the right time! Thank you - I will make sure to enjoy them properly, but I will make myself wait until after Source Code, so the waiting period after SC won't be too long. And I realised there is one more: HIGHWAY!
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Post by els on Mar 24, 2011 8:14:04 GMT -5
Indeed, it's nice <3 Yes you're right, it's a very interesting movie which results apparantly in having different opinions about it, I think that's great I also think maybe our own experiences and character (personality) influence our opinions But we do all agree on one thing: Jake's acting is extraordinary and very believable! Yes I think I know what you mean, I'm very empathetic myself, sometimes too much... *un abbraccio forte!* <3 I agree, Maria, Jennifer Aniston did quite well! And Jake is just extraordinary! Yep, I agree, I think so too. Indeed Of course not, Sasha, you've expressed yourself very good (in your review), I understand 100% what you meant to say Just a matter of different taste, indeed Indeed funny Funny and strange, I never thought that. I was only thinking about how sick that was with the blackberries... And I never thought Holden would actually hurt her, he's more the type that would hurt himself (the self-inflicted wound in his hand, using his pencil -I know it was meant for his letter, but still, I can imagine him hurting himself like that other times too- and then committing suicide... no imo he's not the type of guy that would hurt someone he loves...) And actually, it's the opposite: it's Justine who hurts Holden! Indeed, that doesn't excuse her! To me, it's the fact alone that she bought them and made Holden eat them -even if she suddenly stops him after he ate a few blackberries- that's unforgivable! Indeed, she didn't know for sure that the blackberries were the real cause of death of Gwen, but still, she believed it and bought the blackberries with that intention! Really sick imo!
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Post by Sasha4Jake on Mar 24, 2011 8:55:33 GMT -5
And I never thought Holden would actually hurt her, he's more the type that would hurt himself (the self-inflicted wound in his hand, using his pencil -I know it was meant for his letter, but still, I can imagine him hurting himself like that other times too- and then committing suicide... no imo he's not the type of guy that would hurt someone he loves...) And actually, it's the opposite: it's Justine who hurts Holden! I didn't even notice that, I mean the pencil wound on his hand. I definately need to watch it again...
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